February 17, 2026·Media

Friendship Has No Convention

Matt Zeigler·podcast

Friendship occupies a peculiar space in human experience. Unlike romantic relationships, which come with courtship rituals and clear stages, or family bonds, which arrive pre-labeled with names and rules, friendship has no convention. There's no instruction manual, a shortage of movies and books, and it's all just so inconsistent. Yet Julia Duthie argues it's precisely this lack of structure that makes friendship the most special relationship we can build.

In this "Oh snap, guess what I saw" solo Just Press Record, Julia reflects on a conversation between musicians Allison Wolfe and Brianna Collins about the communities formed through shared creative work.

The real spine of this conversation gradually becomes apparent as Julia and Matt Zeigler talk about what happens when you build something together and invite others into that creation. When you're in a band, or a music scene, or any collaborative creative space, you're looking for your tribe. The audience comes looking for the same thing. That mutual search for belonging—that need to say "I see myself in this, I belong here" - creates a different kind of bond.

Julia brings a particular perspective to this: she's learned through building her own podcast that genuine friendship can emerge from intentional conversation. It's optional, fragile in its voluntariness, and all the more precious because of it.